Tristan Harris says social media companies “have captured the meaning of social participation in society.”
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In this episode of The Rich Roll Podcast, NYT investigative reporter & ‘The Chaos Machine’ author Max Fisher discuss how social media is eroding our minds, driving polarization, and radically changing the way we think. To read more and peruse the full show notes, go here👉🏾http://bit.ly/richroll703
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00:00:00 – Intro
00:01:43 – How did Max get pulled into writing “The Chaos Machine”
00:05:09 – Polarization
00:08:15 – Jacob’ the whistleblower / Impossible task of moderating FB
00:11:27 – The Problem
00:17:31 – What drives social media? Financial Model / Venture Capital
00:21:26 – The philosophy of Silicon Valley
00:26:18 – The Persuasion Lab / Chasing the Dragon
00:32:26 – How does social media rewire our behavior?
00:38:11 – Wall Street
00:38:50 – Tay – Microsoft AI run Twitter account gets radicalized
00:40:46 – How algorithms can radicalize us / GamerGate
00:47:11 – The evolution of radicalization since GamerGate
00:49:51 – What are the underlying social ills behind all this?
00:53:09 – Changing your media diet habits
00:55:44 – Dealing with misinformation
00:59:24 – Ad break – The Plantpower Meal Planner
01:01:05 – Super Posters / outrage sets Social Media norms
01:07:07 – How Anti-Vaxxers grew out of mom FB groups
01:09:05 – Anti-immigration story in Germany
01:12:22 – Qanon
01:16:34 – Most shocking thing Max learned writing the book
01:18:30 – Turn off the incentives on social media
01:25:52 – What are the parameters of free speech on social media?
01:33:09 – Social regulation
01:41:25 – Cecil the lion
01:44:57 – How to dial back the outrage? Gov’t regulation?
01:51:09 – How FB meddles with other countries / Myanmar
01:53:41 – Amazon Fresh / Surveillance
01:55:26 – Breaking up Big Tech
01:58:40 – Where is it all going?
02:06:12 – YouTube’s destructive influence
02:11:06 – Advice for navigating social media
02:18:26 – Closing remarks
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Ellen had a conversation with Tristan Harris, a former Google employee who is one of the prominent people in the hit Netflix documentary “The Social Dilemma.” The film takes a look at how social media companies are able to influence and manipulate its users. Tristan discussed how he went from being a Silicon Valley insider to becoming president of the Center for Humane Technology. He discussed his mission to re-align technology for the well-being of humanity, what parents should be aware of to help protect kids, and what solutions there are to stop addiction to social media.
We tweet, we like, and we share— but what are the consequences of our growing dependence on social media? As digital platforms increasingly become a lifeline to stay connected, Silicon Valley insiders reveal how social media is reprogramming civilization by exposing what’s hiding on the other side of your screen.
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ABOUT THE SOCIAL DILEMMA
The world has long recognized the positive applications of social media, from its role in empowering protesters to speak out against oppression during the Arab Spring uprisings almost a decade ago, to serving an instrumental role in fighting for equity and justice today. And in 2020, during an astonishing global pandemic, social media has become our lifeline to stay in touch with loved ones, as well as proving to be an asset for mobilizing civil rights protests. However, the system that connects us also invisibly controls us. The collective lack of understanding about how these platforms actually operate has led to hidden and often harmful consequences to society—consequences that are becoming more and more evident over time, and consequences that, the subjects in The Social Dilemma suggest, are an existential threat to humanity.
The Social Dilemma is a powerful exploration of the disproportionate impact that a relatively small number of engineers in Silicon Valley have over the way we think, act, and live our lives. The film deftly tackles an underlying cause of our viral conspiracy theories, teenage mental health issues, rampant misinformation and political polarization, and makes these issues visceral, understandable, and urgent. Through a unique combination of documentary investigation and entertaining narrative drama, award-winning filmmakers Jeff Orlowski (Chasing Ice, Chasing Coral) and Larissa Rhodes (Chasing Coral) have once again exposed the invisible in a manner that is both enlightening and harrowing as they disrupt the disrupters by unveiling the hidden machinations behind everyone’s favorite social media and search platforms.
The film features compelling interviews with high-profile tech whistleblowers and innovation leaders including Tristan Harris of the Center for Humane Technology; the co-inventor of the Facebook “Like” button, Justin Rosenstein; Tim Kendall, former President of Pinterest and former Director of Monetization at Facebook; Cathy O’Neil, author of Weapons of Math Destruction; Rashida Richardson, Director of Policy at the AI Now Institute, and many others. Demonstrating how social media affects consumers on a personal level, these fascinating insider insights are seamlessly woven into a captivating narrative, including Vincent Kartheiser (Mad Men), that illuminates the very real consequences these seemingly innocent technologies can have on our everyday lives.
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